The “what is faster” rivalry between motorcycles and cars is one of the oldest, and most contentious, among motorsports fans. I’ve gotten into a few of these scuffles myself with motorcycle fans (I’m a car guy) stating that, ultimately, cars are faster. Then come the counter points from them, and different scenarios, and I mention that cars have more rubber hitting the pavement so they have more grip and can use that grip to carry more speed and … you know what, never mind.

The video below does all the talking. It’s from 2014 and features F1 driver Mark Webber, motorbike racer Casey Stoner, and upercar driver Jamie Whincup all duking it out on the same track and starting from the same point in their respective vehicles. The results are … fairly definitive.

Who wins? Place your bets now. I know who my moneys on.